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#8129: "Oort Refinery not properly credited for System Diversity"

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2017 Aug 25. 19:39 • ymarcow • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

The bug might be, at a guess, the incorrectly coded assumption that the card color type cannot be changed when there's a good on it.

I dug pretty thoroughly into that and can't find any support for that anywhere in the rules or the cards wordings, or in any forum discussions such as boardgamegeek.com/thread/715642/alien-oort-cloud-refinery where comments explicitly support (and none refute) changing type to a type different than the good.

2017 Aug 28. 13:50 • galehar • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

There is no good on Oort during the last settle phase, so it's hard to tell what the world type is at the moment. Having a good on the world doesn't prevent the use of Oort's power. However, the good type cannot be different than the world type. If you change the world type it also changes the good type.
You say that the Oort's power has been used that phase. Are you sure you selected a Genes (green) type? You did it before the end of the phase?
I'm considering adding the current chosen type for Oort on the tooltip, as it is currently impossible to tell which is the current type if there's no good on it.

2017 Nov 4. 19:46 • ymarcow • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

Still a bug. Hit this again on table #34927893 , when System Diversity wasn't awarded even though there wasn't even a good on the Oort Refinery.

2017 Nov 4. 20:03 • ymarcow • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

Hit a variant this yet again on the next game at table #34928384 ... Largest Industry still not awarded around turn #90 despite the three blue goods/worlds (and only two or the opponent)

2017 Nov 4. 23:15 • galehar • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

#34927893: from the replay, it looks like you changed the kind to novelty good (blue). You needed genes (green) to gain system diversity. The current kind can now be seen in the tooltip. Maybe I'll add kind changes to the log to make it even more clear.
#34928384: did you manually changed the oort kind to blue or brown before the end of the settle phase? You have to do it to earn goals.

2017 Dec 12. 09:13 • gregory-us • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

it also didn't count toward the blue/brown world bonus, either during the game or at the end

2018 Feb 1. 23:02 • Marphod • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

37355699 move 50.

Brown good on oort cloud, green, blue and yellow worlds, did not get system diversity.

my understanding is, regardless of the good on the world (which, iirc, isn't set until it is _used_, as irl games don't have color coded goods), the oort cloud is all four colors, all the time. A planet has a good on it, or not. What that good type is is defined by the planet it is on.

2018 Feb 1. 23:12 • galehar • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

Page 15 of the BoW rules:

The Alien Oort Cloud Refinery’s kind is chosen when placed, can be changed by its owner at any time, and is chosen (once) before scoring.

So no, it's not all four colors all the time. It's one color, of the player choice and can be changed anytime, regardless of whether the world has a good on it or not. When it doesn't have a good, you can see the current kind in the tooltip. Changing the kind is also now logged in the messages.

Also, System Diversity can only be awarded at the end of the settle phase (hence the III in the top left corner of the tile).

2020 Mar 22. 04:30 • winter_leopard • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

See Table #67683785, end of game. I had 3 types and Alien Oort Refinery, so System Diversity should have been awarded to me. The bug may stem from the fact that when the Oort Refinery was placed, it asked for the type, and I selected Novelty. However, the cards says the type can be chosen at any time and at game end. Perhaps the solution is to also award it if the Oort Refinery is in play and someone has three world types, and potentially also be able to change the type at the beginning and/or end of every phase, including game end.

2020 Mar 22. 04:36 • winter_leopard • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

Perhaps ignore some of my last as I see you can select the type at any time using the tooltip. However, automatically awarding System Diversity at the end of the settle phase when someone has the Oort Refinery in play and also has three world types may be a good added solution and will help eliminate some people's confusion as to why it was not awarded.

2020 Apr 14. 08:03 • gabrielcdc • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

I had this problem as well, table #74406489. I repeatedly selected "Genes" as the type but was not awarded System Diversity until later building a separate genes planet.

2020 Apr 29. 06:33 • FlyingArrow • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

Same issue. Game #80772981

2020 May 1. 04:02 • FlyingArrow • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

I could be wrong, but I'm not sure Oort Cloud is looked at AT ALL for goals. I had 3 alien cards (keyword ALIEN goal, not the color yellow), and I didn't get credit for it. Oort Cloud was one of the 3. I played a 4th one and got credit for it. This was a different game and I forgot to record the game number.

2020 May 9. 00:07 • FlyingArrow • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

This is marked as "infoneeded". What information is still needed?

2020 Oct 2. 20:36 • MotherFox • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

Same issue game #115139623--- game ended with no option to configure oort cloud for system diversity. No one achieved it as a result.

2020 Oct 2. 20:38 • MotherFox • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

No opportunity was given during the settle phase to change it, either.

2021 Jan 20. 16:34 • galehar • Klaida patvirtinta programuotojų:

I will make it more reliable.

2021 Jan 27. 17:36 • AAASSS20 • Klaida patvirtinta programuotojų:

adding another data point: boardgamearena.com/9/raceforthegalaxy?table=135138169

i settled oort refinery at the end of the game, and it doesn't look like it'll count for the diversity bonus.

2021 Jan 27. 20:39 • galehar • Klaida patvirtinta programuotojų:

@AAASSS20 : you'll get the goal as soon as the settle phase is over.

2021 Jan 28. 03:05 • AAASSS20 • Klaida patvirtinta programuotojų:

indeed, i did get the bonus! i guess the fact that one player had logistics or something meant that the phase wasn't yet done when i thought it was. thanks!

2021 Nov 8. 19:41 • gentil • Klaida patvirtinta programuotojų:

after a settle for another world and THEN a switch, doesn't trigger it until the next settle phase, no matter the switches of color inbetween

2022 May 2. 03:03 • qzhdad • Klaida patvirtinta programuotojų:

Similarly, the goal for blue/brown worlds isn’t awarded

2022 Aug 16. 02:33 • skrohmagnon • Klaida patvirtinta programuotojų:

boardgamearena.com/4/raceforthegalaxy?table=291935270

the goal for blue/brown is tied but I have 3 worlds and my opponent 0. I should earn 5 points not 3.

2022 Oct 8. 18:26 • ColShaw • Klaida patvirtinta programuotojų:

Ran into this just a moment ago. Fortunately, didn't affect the outcome of the game, but I should've gotten the Diversity goal.

boardgamearena.com/1/raceforthegalaxy?table=306657458

2022 Nov 22. 18:32 • kourepai • Klaida patvirtinta programuotojų:

I had the same problem. Blue, brown and yellow in the settle phase + alien oort, didn't give the system diversity.
Table ID: 320031934

However this is part of a bigger problem, please see bug report #70984: "Alien oort cloud refinery wrong implementation"

2023 Jul 14. 21:21 • bigmanz123 • Klaida patvirtinta programuotojų:

Any update on what's going on with this bug? It just happened again at my arena table #396864140.

2024 Sep 13. 16:25 • Argotron • Klaida patvirtinta programuotojų:

I had the same problem. One interesting detail is that when I was producing with Diversified Economy, I got a prompt to "undefined" when using the +1 card per type of good produced benefit. In the end Diversified Economy seemed to behave properly despite the flawed text, but I should have won the System Diversity award and I did not.

Replay Race for the Galaxy #562186247
Move 65
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2025 Oct 11. 18:15 • houseofsuns • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

I tried to reproduce this and could not. Most reports are incorrect as the System Diversity goal can only be awarded at the end of a settle phase. That means especially not at game end. I need a recent reproducer to track this down. Or maybe this was simply fixed at some point.

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