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#18293: "Perfect score and 0 point for all players"

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2020 May 29. 07:01 • AA18 • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

Points computation at the end of the game

2020 Jun 22. 08:32 • Ordoniez • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

Yes, ELO system, it's a bit tricky when cooperative games, victory counts as "TIE" not as victory, in my table, both won 26/30 and ELO was substracted EVEN WE WON!

ELO System should be improved for coop games.

2020 Jun 22. 08:33 • Ordoniez • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

Table where 26/30 Substracted ELO

/table?table=97079534

2020 Oct 28. 12:20 • IvanHC • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

Happened also in game 120013479

2020 Nov 6. 12:54 • 01oigres • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

Same for me in table 121942501

2020 Nov 8. 09:11 • Khoo1 • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

According to Hanabi maker, you scored 30 for a victory. According to BGA, you need to pay for a victory :D LOL None the less, I understand how players feel and voted for this to be .... thought over.

2020 Nov 25. 21:04 • JoyShanti • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

game #125863429 ended with 23 points and our personal points stayedthe same.

2021 Jan 11. 23:31 • hermine02_boardgame • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

game #138601527
We did the highest score 30/30 (black and avalanche) and no one got even a point.
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2021 Feb 14. 16:08 • lll030lll • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

That happened in all my games with 5 multicolour cards!!

2021 Mar 13. 14:01 • IvettCs • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

I wish there was more clarification about the ELOs. Since the interface changed and I started using black powder that I thought would be rewarding, my ELO scores went down by 200 in 4 weeks. I simply don't get how I get no marks for perfect games even with an unlucky deck with black powder, no flamboyant help and only 5 cards in the hand, but I get 8 points deducted when we lose 1 card.

2021 Jun 11. 22:50 • Mimer • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

This happened today, as mentioned before, in a game with 5 multicolored cards. The problem might be when you play that variety.

2021 Jun 14. 11:59 • spressi • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

This is not really a bug. Based on the average ELO across all players, a prediction is made how many points are likely to be scored. If ELOs are particularly high, this expectation may be 30 if only high-ELO players are present. After the game, your ELO is increased if you exceeded the expectation and decreased if you fell short of that prediction.
To increase transparency in cooperative games, the expected end score based on the average ELO across players should be viewed before starting the game.

2021 Sep 21. 17:09 • RICO90 • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

It happened in all games with 5 multicolour cards for more than a year.

2021 Nov 19. 15:32 • arisanana • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

30/30 pts, tricky colors + black powder + flamboyants
ELO differing by about 400 pts (500+ and 900+)

End score +0

boardgamearena.com/8/hanabi?table=217721068

If the only thing that matters isn't the score difference but average score altogether, I would highly suggest changing that so odd matchings with reasonable level difference even at higher levels can still earn points—just playing a round or two of being a Strong or Expert player who slipped into a Master room is enough to see Master players can have very very different expectations of what "norm" is in "conventions".

2021 Dec 28. 02:52 • arisanana • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

Had another run of the same issue in the following table:

> boardgamearena.com/6/hanabi?table=227210831
> 30/30 pts, tricky/black/flams
> ELO differing by about 400 pts (904 and 495)
> ELO rate +0

After playing at more types of tables now, I think this may have to do with specifically the combination of:

> Tricky Color + Black Powder + 5 Flamboyants AND either:
>> ELO rate differs by ~400 pts OR
>> ELO of one player is around 500 while the other is around 900
> WITH the given that this is a 2 player table only

2021 Dec 28. 05:34 • arisanana • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

boardgamearena.com/6/hanabi?table=227237274

Update: same as above

Score: 30/30
ELO: 892 + 467
Average ELO: 679

2022 Jan 13. 23:02 • iakona • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

Since black powder doesnt change your end score, pretty sure you gain less elo by using it. E.g. a 30/30 with and without black powder will probably score the same.

2023 Apr 17. 11:31 • Sombracier • Klaida dar neištirta programuotojų:

The bug still occur with any "only 5 multicolours cards" mod (+ black powder in my case).

Example of the last concerned game : boardgamearena.com/table?table=367933090

2024 Oct 13. 23:56 • Blacktango • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

5 multicolor cards does not give ELO because it is too difficult to balance compared to other modes (because it is very draw dependent). I guess it could at least be mentioned when you choose this mode.

Maybe the ELO balance could be improved with black powder.

ELO calculation is debated in this forum thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4814

2025 Jul 21. 23:17 • Blacktango • Programuotojai nori daugiau informacijos, kad galėtų ištaisyti klaidą:

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